Someone using the nick “light” popped into the WMR chatroom the other day and asked if he could sue a forum owner for violating his copyright by refusing to remove a post containing his work. After playing a game of 50 questions to ascertain exactly what the issue is and is not, the answer to light’s question is a pretty firm “No”.
Originally aired on Webmaster Radio on 1/10/2008
Light voluntarily joined a forum and, by doing so, agreed to the Terms of Service of that site. Then he voluntarily wrote a post and put it up on the forum. Now for some reason, that post is causing him some level of grief (for reasons he refused to share), and he wants the post removed from the forum. He contacted the forum owner and requested to have the post deleted and the forum owner declined. Light then drafted his own Cease and Desist letter and emailed it to the forum owner. The forum owner then banned him. So now, Light is planning to sue the forum owner for copyright infringement.
Example Terms Of Service from a Forum
From WebProWorld’s Legal Notice…
User Submissions Not Privileged
Any material, information or other communication you transmit or post to this website (“Submissions”) will be considered non-confidential and non proprietary. iEntry shall have no obligations with respect to your Submissions. iEntry and its designees will be free to copy, disclose, distribute, incorporate and otherwise use your Submissions and all data, images, sounds, text and other things embodied therein for any and all commercial or non-commercial purposes. You are prohibited from posting or transmitting to or from this website any unlawful, threatening, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic or other material that would violate any applicable law.
I suspect the homemade Cease & Desist Demand didn’t win Light any points with the forum owner either. In general, you don’t email C&D letters. Additionally, (unless you are a lawyer or you’re using a professionally written boilerplate) you don’t write your own C&D letters. A poorly written C&D may as well be scrawled in cheap wax crayon on the back of a sheet torn from a spiral notebook and signed, “Rabid, Litigation-Happy Nut Who Is Too Cheap To Pay An Attorney”.
Remember, C&Ds generally don’t have any teeth anyway. Unless they look and feel like they came from a large, serious company with the means and desire to actually follow through with threats of legal action, Cease & Desist letters aren’t worth the paper upon which they are written. If they’re sent solely electronically they are worth even less.
Finally, Light’s situation should serve as a reminder to everyone to not post things online that they might regret later. On the Internets, things have a way of not ever going away.
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I like to send BACK a C&D telling htem to stop harrassing me.
I agree 100% with you. I have blogged on a similar issue with terms and agreements when people download those so called “free screen savers” If they would read the terms carefully they’d realize that they just agreed that the company can install and use advertisements on their computers. Moral of the story, read before you agree to anything…